Thursday, September 1, 2011

How Did the Black Arabs Become White?

How did Arabia and the Arabs, the home and people of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s), go from this:




To this?



In ways simlar to Algiers and North Africa in general did. Lucien Herault, writing about the white slave-trade into North Africa in the the 17th century, observes: 

"In the first half of the sevententh century, the number of (white) captives held itself around a fluctuating population figure of around 20, 000, that, joined to the 20, 000 renegades (i.e. European converts to Islam) and to the numerous contingents of Albanians and Bulgarians serving in the militia, made of Algiers a white city, approaching closer [in terms of] blood and of race to the various European ports on the other bank [of the Mediterranean] than to all the other Moorish or Turkish cities."

"Les Troubles d'Alger et la Redemtion des Esclaves en 1645 (d'apres manuscript marseillas)," in J. Billioud (ed.), Memoires de l'Institut historique de Provence 10 (1933): 87-8. 

This is no doubt the significance of the Prophet's words:

Zayd b. Aslam related that the Prophet (s) saw a vision and told his companions about it. He said: “I saw a group of black sheep and a group of white sheep then mixed with them [until the white sheep became so numerous that the black sheep could no longer be seen in the herd of sheep.] I (or Abu Bakr with angelic approval)  interpreted it to mean that [the black sheep are the Arabs. They will accept Islam and become many. As for the white sheep, they are the non-Arabs (i.e. Persians, Turks, Byzantines, ect.)] They will enter Islam and then share with you your wealth and your genealogy [and become so numerous that the Arabs will not be noticed amongst them.]” 



Just to be clear, the Black Arab shown above is a Mahra Arab. The Mahra are indigenous Arabs of southern Arabia who are believed to be the living remnant of the Banu Ad Arabians who likely built the fabled but recently discovered Imran civilization in south-east Arabia some five thousand years ago. The white Arab is King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. The Saudi family is from the Banu Murad, from the Anaza b. Wa’il, which in pre-Islamic and early Islamic days was a tribe of black-skinned Arabs like the Mahra.   

 The indigenous peoples of Arabia, including the Arabs, are African peoples. The Encyclopedia Britannica (9th Edition) correctly points out:

“(Regarding) [t]he origin of the Arab race…the first certain fact on which to base our investigations is the ancient and undoubted division of the Arab race into two branches, the ‘Arab’ or pure; and the ‘Mostareb’ or adscititions…A second fact is, that everything in pro-Islamitic literature and record…concurs in representing the first settlement of the ‘pure’ Arabs as made on the extreme south-western point of the peninsula, near Aden, and then spreading northward and eastward…A third is the name Himyar, or ‘dusky’…a circumstance pointing, like the former, to African origin. A fourth is the Himyaritic language language…(The preserved words) are African in character, often in identity. Indeed, the dialect commonly used along the south-eastern coast hardly differs from that used by the (Somali) Africans on the opposite shore…Fifthly, it is remarkable that where the grammar of the Arabic, now spoken by the ‘pure’ Arabs, differs from that of the north, it approaches to or coincides with the Abyssinian…Sixthly, the pre-Islamitic institutions of Yemen and its allied provinces-its monarchies, courts, armies, and serfs-bear a marked resemblance to the historical Africao-Egyptian type, even to modern Abyssinian. Seventhly, the physical conformation of the pure-blooded Arab inhabitants of Yemen, Hadramaut, Oman, and the adjoining districts-the shape and size of head, the slenderness of the lower limbs, the comparative scantiness of hair, and other particulars-point in an African rather than an Asiatic direction. Eighthly, the general habits  of the people,-given to sedentary rather than nomade occupations, fond of village life, of society, of dance and music; good cultivators of the soil, tolerable traders, moderate artisans, but averse to pastoral pursuits-have much more in common with those of the inhabitants of the African than with those of the western Asiatic continent. Lastly, the extreme facility of marriage which exists in all classes of the southern Arabs with the African races; the fecundity of such unions; and the slightness or even absence of any caste feeling between the dusky ‘pure’ Arab and the still darker native of modern Africa…may be regarded as pointing in the direction of a community of origin.”

The Pure Arabs and the East Africans are indeed kith and kin. Bertram Thomas, historian and former Prime Minister of Muscat and Oman, reported in his work ‘The Arabs’:

“The original inhabitants of Arabia…were not the familiar Arabs of our time but a very much darker people.  A proto-negroid belt of mankind stretched across the ancient world from Africa to Malaya.  This belt…(gave) rise to the Hamitic peoples of Africa, to the Dravidian peoples of India, and to an intermediate dark people inhabiting the Arabian peninsula.  In the course of time two big migrations of fair-skinned peoples came from the north…to break through and transform the dark belt of man beyond India (and) to drive a wedge between India and Africa…The more virile invaders overcame the dark-skinned peoples, absorbing most of them, driving others southwards…The cultural condition of the newcomers is unknown.  It is unlikely that they were more than wild hordes of adventurous hunters.”

The Mahra Arabs, like the other northern and southern Black Arabs, are descendents of the aboriginal Africoid Arabians or Afrabians. They are not, as some would like to believe, descendents of “slaves and concubines.”

For further documentation see:

Wesley Muhammad, “Anyone who says that the Prophet is black should be killed”: The De-Arabization of Islam and the Transfiguration of Muhammad in Islamic Tradition @ http://drwesleywilliams.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Muhammad_Article.170121832.pdf

Wesley Muhammad, “Prophet Muhammad and the Black Arabs: The Witness of Pre-Modern Chinese Sources,” @ http://drwesleywilliams.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Muhammad_Black_Arabs_China_Site.187112134.pdf

An my Note: “The African-Arabian Origin of Islam: A Brief Bibliography” 


Peace

Wesley Muhammad. PhD


38 comments:

  1. I need reference for this Hadith:

    Zayd b. Aslam related that the Prophet (s) saw a vision and told his companions about it. He said: “I saw a group of black sheep and a group of white sheep then mixed with them [until the white sheep became so numerous that the black sheep could no longer be seen in the herd of sheep.] I (or Abu Bakr with angelic approval) interpreted it to mean that [the black sheep are the Arabs. They will accept Islam and become many. As for the white sheep, they are the non-Arabs (i.e. Persians, Turks, Byzantines, ect.)] They will enter Islam and then share with you your wealth and your genealogy [and become so numerous that the Arabs will not be noticed amongst them.]”

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  2. When ignorance knows how to type!
    In North africa there are two indiginous people: berber and africans. Berber in general leave in quite cold zones and are white skin. white but not in the way of europe. indeed their color are more close to the real white color. the other people are black africans and leave in hot zones. Of course during time there was a mix so you find today that most of north africans are like a mix. the mix included also the arabs who came from the east, the moresks who came from spain. So there were alwas a mix of people in north africa and some few white angel slaves is not enough to color a whole population when we know is having a child with a slave is always a shame even when the slave is white ;)

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    1. You also forgot the beju of sudan who are the original berbers

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    2. The somalis were also known as berbers.Somalis were reffered to as berber by romans and arabs. Somalia was called Bilad al barbaria (Land of the Berbers).
      The north african berbers were just some more somalis before white migration

      look at his ancient roman map were both somalia and north africa is called berbers
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Map_of_the_Periplus_of_the_Erythraean_Sea.jpg

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    3. North-africans are known as - Imazighen -.
      Berber is a term made and used by European people meaning barbarian.
      The 7th century arab invasion is a myth ( nurtered by islamo-baathist propaganda).
      The people that came with islam in North-africa were people converted to islam from Sudan and Erytrea. The black islamic warriors from Sudan and Erytrea who crossed the Strait of Gibraltar to Spain were those who were called "Moors" as a matter of fact..
      The true arabs were people from Syria who came by boats to go to Spain and they were a tiny minority.
      And by the way genetics confirmed the black roots of the inhabitants of the arabian peninsula.
      http://http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/8/45

      "the Arabian Peninsula has received substantial gene flow from Africa (20%), detected by the presence of L, M1 and U6 lineages; that an 18% of the Arabian Peninsula lineages have a clear eastern provenance, mainly represented by U lineages; but also by Indian M lineages and rare M links with Central Asia, Indonesia and even Australia."
      "the lack of primitive autochthonous M and N sequences, suggests that this area has been more a receptor of human migrations, including historic ones, from Africa, India, Indonesia and even Australia, than a demographic expansion"

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    4. "..In North africa there are two indiginous people: berber and africans. Berber in general leave in quite cold zones and are white skin. white but not in the way of europe. indeed their color are more close to the real white color."?!

      "Berber" = Indus = Km = Black! wtf are you talking about?! Caucasoids have falsified every thing in very poor attempts at writing themselves into the African past reality. Further, the current Leucoderms of North Africa are descendants of the Romans, Goths, Visigoths, Franks, Germanic Caucasoid Muslims who invaded North Africa in 639 AD; they are NOT autochtones of North Africa!

      "When ignorance knows how to type!", what say you now?

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    5. thanks brother. tired of these white people trying to discredit the truth of the origin of everyone. they want everyone to be considered caucazoids so they can cling to them since they have no real history to cling to nor lineage. hell they arent even caucazoids seeing they didnt come to europe from central asia until 1200BCE when they were expelled by mongols. they have the same Y DNA as the dravidians/dalits of south india.

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    7. dude shut up with preposterous eurocentric misnformation. white people are always assimilating into cultures to claim their ancestry. the berbers of North Africa are from E-M81 mutation of e1b1b1 which that Y DNA is highest in somalia.

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  3. very informative makes me want to go back to islam now lol. peace

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  4. Lmao word i think im be muslim again thanks ahk

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  5. Brother Wesley,
    Thank you for having the bravery and the courage for doing all the work you do. I know you are right and I am looking forward in reading all your works!!! Please know you are supported and respected by all people seeking knowledge of self. As a 5% from the 1990's who ent to a HBC thank you for reminding we all have a responsibility!!!

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  6. White historians, in their bid to make ancient Europeans seem White, have chosen to ignore the "obvious" relationships that must have existed between Berbers and the people of iberia. When Grimaldi crossed the Gibraltar straits to enter Europe, all of his kind did not follow.

     

     

    In 219 B.C. the first Roman troops invaded the Iberian Peninsula, this during the Second Punic war against the Carthaginians. After two centuries of war with the Celtic and Iberian tribes, and also the Phoenician, Greek and Carthaginian colonies, Rome annexed it under Augustus, resulting in the creation of the province of Hispania. It was divided into Hispania Ulterior and Hispania Citerior during the late Roman Republic, and during the Roman Empire, it was divided into Hispania Taraconensis in the northeast, Hispania Baetica in the south and Lusitania in the southwest.
    In the early 5th century A.D. new Whites invaded, these were Germanic tribes from Eastern Europe, namely the Suevi, the Vandals (Silingi and Hasdingi) and their allies, the Sarmatian Alans. Only the kingdom of the Suevi (Quadi and Marcomanni) would endure after the arrival of another wave of Germanic invaders - The Visigoths; who had earlier established their own kingdom with its capital at Toulouse France. They slowly extended their authority into Hispania, displacing the Vandals and Alans. The Visigoths, subsequently conquered all of the Iberian peninsula and expelled or partially integrated the Vandals and the Alans. The Visigoths eventually conquered the Suevi kingdom and its capital city Bracara (modern day Braga) in 584-585 A.D. They would also conquer the province of the Byzantine Empire Spania, in the south of the peninsula and the Balearic Islands.
     

     

     

     

     

     

    The Moors

     

    White historians, in their bid to make ancient Europeans seem White, have chosen to ignore the "obvious" relationships that must have existed between Berbers and the people of iberia. When Grimaldi crossed the Gibraltar straits to enter Europe, all of his kind did not follow. When Humans move to new territories "Most" stay behind in the old territory, and they "maintain" their relationships; there is always back and forth travel for trade and communication. It is against this backdrop that the Berber invasion of Iberia must be viewed. The Berbers did not enter Iberia as destroyers, they entered as builders!

    Thus, after Muhammad's Islamic army took Egypt in 640 A.D. and then went on to conquer all of North Africa. The Berbers no-doubt saw this new Black army as an opportunity; so rather than fight, the Berbers joined forces with the Islamic army. In 711 A.D. A Berber army led by general Tariq ibn Ziyad, invaded Iberia (Spain) and overthrew the White Visigoths (Western Goths): Who were one of two main branches of the Goths, an east Germanic tribe, who over the period of only one hundred years, had migrated from eastern Europe, thru Greece, thru Italy, and finally down into the Iberian peninsula.

    In Iberia (Spain and Portugal), the Berbers, now known as Moors, created a highly advanced civilization and culture, famous for it’s art, architecture, and centers of learning. While having rule over Spain: The Berbers, who themselves fifty years earlier had been forced to accept Islam, now sometimes forced the inhabitants of Iberia to do the same. Though the number of original "Moors" remained small, many native Iberian inhabitants converted to Islam. According to Ronald Segal, some 5.6 million of Iberia's 7 million inhabitants were Muslim by 1200 A.D, virtually all of them native inhabitants. According to historian Richard A. Fletcher, the number of Arabs who settled in Iberia was very small. There were about 900,000 Berbers and about 90,000 Arabs in Iberia.

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    1. the grimaldi was said by whites to have steatopygia. the only two groups of people who were known to have that were the Khoisian and groups of Andaman islanders (who are black and the first inhabitants of india).

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  7. You know, as a Turkish person I can understand this. Our history is full of central asian themes. The Turkish people are in a small identity crisis these days. Are we Arab, European or Central Asian Turkic? It seems all of it. But how? This opposite situation where arabs are actually the mix actually makes a lot of sense. However in many similar threads as these there is always one important thing forgotten: the genetic mixing during THE ROMAN EMPIRE. Don't forget that even before that, during the conquests of Alexander, Egyptians were referred to as 'nubians' (black basically). I wonder how far this pigmentation extended in the middle east. It certainly encompassed the west and south of Africa, that's for sure. The Roman Empire forever changed that. And it never really ended, I think, with the caliphates soon after. Very interesting indeed.

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  8. Also a very important thing we have to then consider is the identity of the migrants from ancient Egypt, the tribe of Judah, the Israelites. And through all traditions we know that Arabs are the nearest in identity to the Isrealites.

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    1. I would say the modern negro are the descendants of the hebrew israelites

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    2. actually it would be ethiopians, or black people who would and ARE.

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  9. Real Arabs were black, i completely agree.

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  10. Real Arabs were black, i completely agree.

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    1. Teach your children that suppose to rule the world no fur head white don't really have any history because they are not really humans they are fur head neanderthal monkeys

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  12. Very informative. If we are the original people meaning we inhabited the land first.

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  13. The indigenous Arabs are non Africans. These Arabs are biologically linked to the Out of Africa people and so has no relations to today's Africans.

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  14. In the words of Abby Lincoln: "They'll still your ancestors if you let them". And they are also claiming the Polynesian people are from Taiwan. No reference to Africa. I guess they had hair perms and nose jobs even 100 years ago!

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  15. Arab is one of many ethnonyms granted to the Amorites e.g. Bedouins , a nomadic-lifesfyle Semitic people sharing both historical as cultural and genetic affinities with " Indo-Aryan " populations
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    Aborigenes of Arabia weren't Arabs under an ethnic point of view though they were assimilated to Arabism as a Breton or Martinican are assimilated to Frenchness ( France has enormously copied the Arab-Muslim system for that matter) .

    We should not confuse Aboriginal and Canadian.

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  16. Asians are retards mongoloids incest children who lied to them and told them they are smart they are natural born idiots

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  17. Who build a 5000 mile wall for nothing because it never stop invasions who breed 1 billion population that it can't feed who build cities for a half million people that their citizens can afford to live in idiots call chinese

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  18. Black people around the world you are the only true humans

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  19. All brown so call races are mix people arabs indians chinese japanese italians latinos they are all a mix between blacks and whites for centuries back and forward some have more black blood some have more white blood

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  20. All brown so call races are mix people arabs indians chinese japanese italians latinos they are all a mix between blacks and whites for centuries back and forward some have more black blood some have more white blood

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  21. ANCIENT ARABS OR ANCIENT ISRAELITES WERE NEVER AFRICANS IBRAHIM AND HIS DAD ARE FROM IRAQ!

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  22. ANCIENT ARABS OR ANCIENT ISRAELITES WERE NEVER AFRICANS IBRAHIM AND HIS DAD ARE FROM IRAQ!

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  23. ورجل أسمر، وهو أصفى من الآدم. أبي عَلِي الفارِسيورجل أسمر، وهو أصفى من الآدم. أبي عَلِي الفارِسي
    الأدْمُ مِنَ النَّاسِ السُّودُ ومِنَ الإبَلِ البِيضُ ومِنَ الظِّباءِ الحمْرُأبي منصور الثعالبي
    والأدْمَةُ في الناسِ: شُرْبَة من سَوَادٍ، وفي الإِبِلِ والظبَاءِ: بَيَاض - الصاحب بن عباد
    الآدَمُ السَّوَادُ والبَعيُر الآدَمُ أشَد بَيَاضاً الحربي
    وَالْأُدْمَةُ لَوْنُ الْعَرَبِ وَهِيَ السُّمْرَةُ فِي الرِّجَالِ وقد تقول العرب للأبيض من الإبل الآدم - ابن عبد البر
    فالآدم الأسمر الذي علاه شيء من سواد قليلا والأدمة لون العربابن عبد البر
    ولا بالآدم الشديد الأدمة - ابن حجر
    والسواد شدَّة الأدمة - ابن سيده
    ويقال أتاني كل أسود منهم وأحمر ولا يقال وأبيض ومعناه جميع الناس عربهم وعجمهم الرازي
    بعثت إلى الأحمر والأسود فأسودهم العرب وأحمرهم العجم ابن منظور
    وَيَقُولُونَ فِي الْكِنَايَة عَن العربيّ والعجميّ: الْأسود والأبيض، وَالْعرب تَقول فيهمَا: الْأسود والأحمر، تَعْنِي الْعَرَب والعجم لِأَن الْغَالِب على ألوان الْعَرَب الأدمة والسمرة، وَالْغَالِب على ألوان الْعَجم الْبيَاض والحمرة- الحريري
    وفي الحديث: بعثت إلى الأحمر والأسود، أي إلى العرب والعجم لأن الغالب على ألوان العرب السواد والسمرة، والاغلب على ألوان العجم البياض والحمرة، والمارد بالعجم ما عدا العرب، الكشكول - البهاء العاملي
    وَالْعَرَبُ تُطْلِقُ الْأَخْضَرَ عَلَى كُلِّ لَوْنٍ لَيْسَ بِأَبْيَضَ وَلَا أَحْمَرَ قَالَ الشَّاعِرُ وَأَنَا الْأَخْضَرُ مَنْ يَعْرِفُنِي أَخْضَرُ الْجِلْدَةِ مَنْ نَسْلِ الْعَرَبْ يَعْنِي أَنَّهُ لَيْسَ بِأَحْمَرَ كَالْعَجَمِوَالْأَحْمَرُ يُطْلِقُونَهُ عَلَى كُلِّ مَنْ لَيْسَ بِعَرَبِيٍّ وَمِنْهُ بُعِثْتُ إِلَى الْأَسْوَدِ وَالْأَحْمَرِابن حجر أبو الفضل العسقلاني
    قوله صلّى الله عليه وسلّم: «بعثت إلى الأحمر والأسود» ، إن المراد بالأحمر: العجم لغلبة البياض فيهم؛ والمراد بالأسود: العرب لغلبة السّمرة فيهم - القلقشندي
    (والأسود): العرب لأن الغالب على ألوانهم الأدمة، والأدمة قريبة من السواد. والأحمر: العجم، لأن الغالب على ألوانهم البياض والحمرة. ابن الأثير
    وقيل لهم بُقعان لاختلاف أَلوانهم وتَناسُلِهم من جنسين وقال القُتَيْبي البقعان الذين فيهم سواد وبياض ولا يقال لمن كان أَبيض من غير سواد يخالطه أَبْقع فكيف يَجعل الرومَ بقعاناً وهم بَيض خُلَّص ؟ قال وأُرَى أَبا هريرة أَراد أَن العرب تَنْكِحُ إِماءَ الرُّوم فتُستعْمَل عليكم أَولادُ الإِماء وهم من بَني العرب وهم سُود ومن بني الروم وهم بِيض ولم تكن العرب قبل ذلك تَنكِح الرُّوم إِنما كان إِماؤُها سُوداناً والعرب تقول أَتاني الأَسود والأَحمر يريدون العرب والعجم ولم يرد أَنَّ أَولاد الإِماء من العرب بُقْع كبُقْعِ الغِربانِ وأَراد أَنهم أَخذوا من سواد الآباء وبياض الأُمَّهات ابن الأَعرابي ابن منظور
    يُوشِكُ أن يَعْمَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ بُقعانُ أهْلِ الشّامِ:يُريدُ خَدَمُهُم لبياضهم، وشَبَّهَهُمْ بالشيء الأبْقَعِ الذي فيه بَياضٌ، يعني بذلك الروم والسودان. الفراهيدي البصري
    وهم بين سواد العرب وبياض الروم قال الأزهري أراد بالبقعان السبي والمماليك سموا بذلك لأن الغالب على ألوانهم البياض والصفرة فقيل لهم بقعان لاختلاط ألوانهم وتناسلهم من جنسين إبن الجوزي

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  24. البُقْعان الذين فيهم سواد وبياض لا يقال لمن كان أبيضَ من غير سواد يخالطه أبقع والمعنى أن العَرب تَنْكح إماء الروم فيُسْتَعْمل على الشام أولادُهم وهُم بين سَواد العرب وبياض الروم - ابن الأثير
    وَإِلَّا فهم عرب، وألوانهم الأدمة والسمرة والسواد المرسي
    والبجة قوم يعبدون الأصنام وما استحسنوه، ثم يتصل ذلك بأرض الحبشة وهم نصارى، وتقرب ألوانهم من ألوان العرب بين السواد والبياضالإصطخري
    فَإِذَا رَجُلٌ طَوِيلٌ أَسْوَدُ، فَقُلْتُ: مَنْ هَذَا؟ قَالَ أَبُو ذَرٍّ البيهقي
    وكان أبو ذر رجلا أسود كث الشع سير أعلام النبلاء
    عن قيس بن أبي حازم قال وفدت إلى أبي بكر مع أبي فدخلنا عليه في مرضه الذي مات فيه فرأيته رجلا أسمر خفيف اللحمابن أبي عاصم ص
    وكان أبو بكر طوالا آدم نحيفا خفيف العارضين غائر العينين مشرف الجبهة ناتىء الوجنتين، يغير شيبة بالحناء والكتم أبي الحسن المسعودي
    عَنْ زِرٍّ، قَالَ: "كُنْتُ بِالْمَدِينَةِ فَإِذَا رَجُلٌ آدَمُأَعْسَرُ أَيْسَرُ ضَخْمٌ، إِذْ أَشْرَفَ عَلَى النَّاسِ، كَأَنَّهُ عَلَى دَابَّةٍ، فَإِذَا هُوَ عُمَرُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ " الطبراني
    عَنْ صِفَةِ عُثْمَانَ بن عفان، فَلَمْ أَرَ بَيْنَهُمُ اخْتِلافًا، قَالُوا: هُوَ رَجُلٌ لَيْسَ بِالْقَصِيرِ وَلا بِالطَّوِيلِ حَسَنُ الْوَجْهِ، رَقِيقُ الْبَشَرَةِ، كَبِيرُ اللِّحْيَةِ عَظِيمُهَا،أَسْمَرُ اللَّوْنِأبو نعيم
    سألت أبا جعفر محمد بن علي قلت ما كانت صفة علي قال رجل آدم شديد الأدمةابن سعد
    كان علي بن ابي طلب أدم اللون، أصلعالنووي
    وكان علي عليه السلام آدم، شديد الأدمة مناقب علي لإبن المغازلي
    إذا نظرت إليه قلت ادم وإن تبينته من قريب قلتأن يكون أسمر أدنى من أن يكون ادم تاريخ دمشق
    وَكَانَ طلحة بن عبيد الله آدَمَ كَثِيرَ الشَّعْرِ رَجِلًا حَسَنَ الْوَجْهِ، ابن أبي عاصم
    كَانَ سَعْدُ بْنُ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ جَعْدَ الشَّعْرِ، أَشْعَرَ الْجَسَدِ، آدَمَ، طَوِي لا أَفْطَسَأبو نعيم
    كانالزبير بن العوامرجلا ليس بالطويل ولا بالقصير خفيف اللحية أسمر اللون أشعر حاكم
    قال الواقدي كان حلية عبد الرحمن بن عوف رجلاً طوالاً حسن الوجه رقيق البشرة فيه خال أبيض مشرباً حمرة وقال غيره كان أعين أقنى جعد الشعر ضخم الكفين المطهر بن طاهر المقدسي
    كان سعيد بن زيد- رضى الله عنه- رجلا آدم، طويلا أشعر ابن قتيبة الدينوري

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